Going Postal Group Read, Week Two

It’s Week Two of the Going Postal Group Read!  Here’s the discussion for the next hundred pages of the book:

1)      Pratchett has done some lavish setting descriptions by now, notably the Post Office but also rooms at Unseen University, and other places around Ankh-Morpork.  What’s your favorite one?

I was unusually struck by Pratchett’s setting descriptions in this book–I don’t remember that so much in other Discworld books, though that may also be a product of re-reading and noticing new things.  I love the descriptions of the mountains of letters in the Post Office.  That’s such a fantastic, over-the-top image.  I also loved Pelc’s study, especially this bit: “It was a wizard’s study, so of course it had the skull with a candle on it and a stuffed crocodile hanging from the ceiling.  No one, least of all wizards, knows why this is, but you have to have them.”

2)      In Chapter 7, Moist waxes poetic about the personal nature of letters versus clacks.  This could easily be looked at as email and other online communication versus paper letters.  Do you agree with Moist, or does he exaggerate?  And just for fun, what’s the best piece of paper mail you ever got?

I of course appreciate the speed and convenience of email and other electronic communication, but I do rather regret the demise of paper letters.  I think it’s mostly for their lasting power.  You can talk about the personal-ness of paper letters, but an email can be personal in its contents.  However, I like that paper letters can be saved, and looked at again later.  I suppose emails can be too, but they usually aren’t.  I like letters as history, which they seem to be in a way that emails aren’t.

Best paper mail I ever got…  Certainly the most amusing was when a friend sent me a black spot.  We have a bit of a thing for pirates.  The most glee-inducing letter was when Geraldine McCaughrean sent a personal reply to my letter to her.  VERY glee-inducing!

3)      Share your favorite quotes and moments from this section of Going Postal.

Look, [Moist] said to his imagination, if this is how you’re going to behave, I shan’t bring you again.

Re: the Posthumous Professor of Morbid Bibliomancy at Unseen University:

“Why’s he ‘posthumous’?” Moist asked.

“He’s dead,” said Pelc.

“Ah…I was kind of hoping it was going to be a little more metaphorical than that,” said Moist.

“Don’t worry, he decided to take Early Death.  It was a very good package.”

“Oh,” said Moist.  The important thing at a time like this was to spot the right moment to run, but they’d got here through a maze of dark passages and this was not a place you’d want to get lost in.  Something might find you.

Looking forward to reading others’ thoughts!  Please link your posts below. 🙂

A Humorous Reflection on Death

Today is Friday the 13th, and I’m currently hosting a Discworld reading challenge–so there’s really only one appropriate topic today.  Death.  Specifically, Pratchett’s character of Death.

There are several books with Death as a major character, and you can trust him to make at least a cameo in most of the books.  He looks rather as you might expect Death to look, a skeleton with a dark hood and a scythe.  Despite appearances, he isn’t really a frightening character.  Death never kills anyone; he appears as a guide when someone has died, which I think is an important distinction.

And did I mention also that Death is frequently extremely funny?  He talks IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS, so you always know when he’s arrived.  He’s both insightful and a little baffled by humanity, he takes pride in his work, and he seems to be well-meaning as a rule.  One way or another, whether its telling knock-knock jokes or explaining that he really can’t take off his mask, even his briefest appearances tend to be wonderful.

The two Death-focused books that stand out the most for me are Reaper Man and Hogfather.  In the first, Death’s bosses decide he’s going soft and fire him.  He goes off to find a new job on a farm, while elsewhere no one’s dying anymore…  One of my favorites bits of the book is when he’s out cutting wheat (with a scythe, of course).  The woman who owns the farm notices that he’s very fast, but is cutting the wheat one stalk at a time.  She asks why he doesn’t cut a swathe at once, and Death is horrified.  That would be wrong–every stalk must die in its own time, with individual attention.

Hogfather is Pratchett’s Christmas book.  The Discworld’s Santa Clause equivalent goes missing (more or less) and the fabric of mythology and belief begins to unravel–despite Death’s best efforts to fill in.  This is largely focused on Death’s granddaughter, Susan.  You see, Pratchett’s Death has a family.  He has an adopted daughter, who got married and had a daughter.  Susan desperately wants to be normal, but that’s difficult when she’s inherited some of her grandfather’s talents.  There’s a movie version of Hogfather that’s very good; Susan is played by Michelle Dockery, who you might know as Lady Mary from Downton Abbey.

In other Discworld books, if a character dies you can pretty well expect Death to turn up to guide them to whatever awaits.  And odd though it may sound, it’s always fun when Death arrives.

Going Postal Group-Read, Week One

Today is our first installment of the Going Postal group-read.  Read the details about the challenge, and see my review of Going Postal if you’d like a little more context.

We’re starting off the discussion with a few questions about the first hundred pages of the book.

1)      For those new to Pratchett or Going Postal, what are your first impressions?  For re-readers, is anything striking you this time that you didn’t notice on a first read?

I’m obviously a re-reader.  This is actually one of my first Discworld re-reads–there are so many books, I’ve mostly been seeking out new ones to explore!  I find that the satire is making a bigger impression this time around–I noticed it before, but I’m seeing it more now.  I think I get distracted by all the wonderful humor on an initial read, and while a second time through is still very, very funny, the deeper aspects of the book are coming through more clearly as well.  In just this first section Pratchett has already started touching on so many ideas, about government, truth, civil rights, collectors culture…  I’ll leave it at that for now, as I want to discuss the satire in more depth in a later post, after it’s been developed further!

2)      We’ve started to get to know our protagonist, Moist von Lipvig, by now.  What are your thoughts on him so far?

Pratchett’s makes a lot of Moist’s charm.  Everyone seems to love him, despite the fact that he’s a crook and a scoundrel–and somehow they seem to love him because of it.  I love that Moist himself directly observes this paradox.  I also feel like Pratchett is playing the reader much the way Moist plays the crowd.  We fall under the spell of Moist’s charm too.  He’s friendly, he’s pleasant, he’s completely honest about being a crook, and he has style.  I think readers always love a scoundrel, especially one who never really hurts anyone.  Pratchett makes a point early on that Moist cons people, but he doesn’t kill anyone, or even hit people over the head.  He starts out as the charming rogue that we want to root for.  Having read the book before, I know Pratchett is going to delve into this idea more, and I’m enjoying watching its initial set-up.

3)      We’ve also met quite a few rather unusual supporting characters.  Who are you most looking forward to reading more about?

Strangely enough, Moist is a relatively normal main character surrounded by even weirder figures.  Groat stands out, completely bonkers in some ways but he also has such devotion to the post office, and to the memory of how it used to be.  He’s almost a tragic figure–in a really bad toupee!

I’m also really enjoying Vetinari.  He shows up in a lot of Discworld books, and I think he gets a particularly good turn in this one.  I love that he’s a tyrant who makes things work.  I think I’m stealing that phrase from one of the City Guards books, but it describes him so well.  He’s always four steps ahead of everyone else, nothing ever ruffles him, and despite a well-deserved reputation for ruthlessness, he always makes things work for the greater good.

4)      What are your favorite quotes or moments from this section of the book?

Oh, so many…Pratchett really hits the ground running with the humor.  For instance:

Mr. Groat, re: Stanley: “Orphan, sir.  Very sad.  Came to us from the Siblings of Offler charity home, sir.  Both parents passed away of the Gnats on their farm out in the wilds, sir, and he was raised by peas.”

“Surely you mean on peas, Mr. Groat?”

By peas, sir.  Very unusual case.  A good lad if he doesn’t get upset, but he tends to twist toward the sun, sir, if you get my meaning.”

I don’t get his meaning at all, but it’s hilarious.  If he explained it, it would ruin everything.  A more philosophical favorite moment:

“It was…odd to think of all those letters heaped in that old building.  You could imagine them as little packets of history.  Deliver them, and history went one way.  But if you dropped them in the gap between the floorboards, it went the other.”

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If you’re participating in the group read, leave a comment with a link to your first post.  I can’t wait to see what everyone thinks!  And if you’re thinking you’d like to join in, it’s not a long read and there’s plenty of time still to catch up; just let me know, and I’ll send you the questions for next Tuesday’s post. 🙂

Favorites Friday: Discworld Moments

Continuing our Discworld theme this Friday…I originally thought of doing favorite quotes, but as I compiled them I realized there were several that were all about the dialogue or the back-and-forth.  So here are some favorite Discworld moments.

First, a philosophical one, about the power of knowledge:

They thought the Library was a dangerous place because of all the magical books, which was true enough, but what made it really one of the most dangerous places there could ever be was the simple fact that it was a library.

– Guards! Guards!

And another time, Death waxes philosophical.  It should be noted that Death always speaks IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS:

WHO KNOWS WHAT EVIL LURKS IN THE HEART OF MEN?
The Death of Rats looked up from the feast of potato.
SQUEAK, he said.
Death waved a hand dismissively. WELL, YES, OBVIOUSLY ME, he said. I JUST WONDERED IF THERE WAS ANYONE ELSE.

– The Truth

And because Death is so brilliant, another one, after someone suggested that he should be “more of a people person”:

KNOCK KNOCK.
He looked up.
“Who’s there?”
DEATH.
“Death who?”
There was a chill in the air. Beano waited…
I WONDER… CAN WE START AGAIN? I DON’T SEEM TO HAVE THE HANG OF THIS…

– Men at Arms

Maskerade is probably a favorite moment in its entirety, and I could quote most of it…but here’s just one moment.  A dead body turns up, along with a note from the Opera Ghost:

Hahahahaha!  Ahahahahaha!
Yrs, The Opera Ghost
P.S. Ahahahahaha!

“I don’t understand!  Is this man mad?”

Salzella put an arm around his shoulders and led him away from the crowd.  “Well, now,” he said as kindly as he could.  “A man who wears evening dress all the time, lurks in the shadows and occasionally kills people.  Then he sends little notes, writing maniacal laughter.  Five exclamation marks again, I notice.  We have to ask ourselves: is this the career of a sane man?”

“But why is he doing it?” Bucket wailed.

“That is only a relevant question if he is sane,” said Salzella calmly.  “He may be doing it because the little yellow pixies tell him to.”

– Maskerade

The image of the Phantom of the Opera, chatting with the little yellow pixies, never fails to crack me up.  It’s the same for this very odd bit below, about a crazed artist:

“He was convinced that if he went to sleep at night, he would turn into a chicken.  He’d leave little notes for himself saying, ‘You are not a chicken,’ although sometimes he thought he was lying…  Scholars have puzzled over the notes ever since, seeking some insight into the poor man’s tortured mind.  They are not in any order, you see.  Some are very…odd.”

“Odder than ‘You are not a chicken’?”

– Thud!

I think I need to re-read all of these books now.  🙂  Other Discworld readers, what are your favorite quotes or moments?

Pathways Through Discworld

Have you signed up for the Summer in Discworld reading challenge yet?  Still plenty of time to join in!  This week, I thought I’d post some thoughts on navigating Discworld, for people deciding where to start, or which book to pick up next.

The Discworld series has within it several sub-series, with sets of books that focus on the same groups of characters.  It seems to me that the most obvious thing in the world would be to provide a list breaking the books out into these sub-groups.  But…Google hasn’t been able to find me a good list!  There are a few out there, but either they’re hard to read, or they’re not matching my experience reading the books (I’ve seen Maskerade described as a City Guard book–it’s really not, despite some cameos).  So, naturally, I set about to make my own list.

Part of the complexity may be that characters often show up in supporting roles, even when they aren’t a primary focus.  I’ve tried to arrange books based on who the lead protagonists are–for example, Vimes shows up in The Truth, but only in a supporting role so I haven’t put it with the other Vimes/City Guard books.  A few books show up twice, as they cross sub-series.

I’ve starred the books I’ve read, and feel free to ask if you’d like to know more about any of them.   If you notice a book that seems mis-grouped, let me know.  I don’t claim perfect accuracy.  🙂  But, hopefully this will give you some good directions for whichever paths you want to pursue.

Rincewind
The Colour of Magic*
The Light Fantastic*
Sourcery
Eric
Interesting Times
The Lost Continent
The Last Hero

Wizards
Reaper Man*
Interesting Times
The Lost Continent
Unseen Academicals
Lords and Ladies*

Witches
Equal Rites*
Wyrd Sisters
Witches Abroad
Lords and Ladies*
Maskerade*
Carpe Jugulum

Death
Mort
Reaper Man*
Soul Music*
Hogfather*
Thief of Time

City Guard
Guards!  Guards!*
Men at Arms*
Feet of Clay*
Jingo*
The Fifth Elephant*
The Last Hero
Night Watch*
Thud!*
Where’s My Cow? (picture book)*
Snuff*

Wee Free Men/Tiffany Aching
The Wee Free Men*
A Hat Full of Sky
Wintersmith
The Wee Free Men: The Beginning
I Shall Wear Midnight

Independent
Pyramids
Moving Pictures
Small Gods
The Truth*
Monstrous Regiment
Going Postal*
Making Money

Obviously I have not been too systematic in my reading…merely proof that you can attempt Discworld by any route you like!